Under the Scales
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Under the Scales is a podcast by Tom Marshall, longtime songwriter for the band Phish. The podcast captures and brings to light the rich and complex culture surrounding Phish and its diverse, devoted fanbase. Phish's quirky sense of humor pervades and steers the podcast. Tom will interview the band, fans, insiders, outsiders...and dare to go UNDER THE SCALES to uncover the beating heart of Phish!

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    051:Deep Dive into Lyrics

    In this episode, Tom dives into the meaning of five popular Phish songs, chosen by co-hosts Tebo Thomas and RJ Bee: Wading in the Velvet Sea, Blaze On, Horn, Bug and Life Boy.

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    050:Kevin Statesir

    Kevin Statesir, Trey’s brother-in-law and founder of the Burlington Vermont music venue Higher Ground, joins Tom in the studio to discuss Phish from a family perspective, and also how Higher Ground has become an integral piece in the Vermont music puzzle these days.

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    049:Mike Gordon Part 2

    Part 2 of the Mike Gordon interview! Mike and Tom continue their conversation and delve more deeply into the artistic process with a backdrop of Mike's music from his amazing solo career.

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    048:Mike Gordon Part 1

    Mike Gordon joins Tom for the Under the Scales Season 3 opener. This is Part 1 of 2.

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    046:The Kasvot Vaxt Halloween Prank

    On Halloween 2018 in Las Vegas, Phish's costume entailed becoming a Scandinavian dance-pop band from the 80's. How? Why? I talk to my pals to sort it all out.

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    045:Scott Rogowsky

    Amazing host of the sensational HQ Trivia app, Scott Rogowsky, joins Tom and co-host RJ Bee for a spirited discussion and then a Phish trivia quiz!

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    044:Annabel Lukins

    Jam Cruise Director, Loveboat Hostess, Tanuary, Mother Duck…call her what you will, Annabel Lukins will surprise you with her accomplishments, her love of music, and the depth of her abilities to thrive in the music business and be (actual) friends with everyone she encounters.

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    043:Scott Metzger

    JRAD guitarist, and Wolf, RANA, Amfibian, F-Hole, Particle and many many others, renaissance man guitarist Scott Metzger talks with Tom and friend Andrew Southern about his musical journey and all those bands!

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    Tom and RJ interview Brad Serling, founder of Nugs.net, the company that powers LivePhish and gets webcasts into your home.

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    041:Ben & Jerry's

    Tom is joined by Jay Curley of Ben & Jerry's, the ice cream company, to discuss their multi-year relationship with Phish.

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    040:Brad Sands

    Brad Sands, Phish's longtime road manager - from 1991 to 2004 - talks to Tom and Tebo about the good old days, and has some great behind the scenes stories.

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    039:Trey's Ghost Story

    Osiris co-founder RJ Bee interviews me on Under the Scales for the 20th anniversary of Phish's album Story of the Ghost. We call a special guest to answer some additional questions.

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    038:Federal Donuts

    I interview Felicia D’Ambrosio, one of the partners of Federal Donuts who supplied all the donuts for Phish’s Baker’s Dozen shows July and August 2017. We learn about stairwells, Neil Young, and that holes are a flavor.

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    037:Dicks 2017

    I wander around the Dicks lot during the Phish shows in September 2017 in Denver. I meet and talk to a lot of people including Bethany Barker of Phish Chicks and Paige Clem of the Phellowship. Music, art, glassware, sandwiches, nitrous, artificial legs, tributes to lost fans and guidance aplenty.

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    036:The Pinsky Triangle

    Jason Pinsky is Tom's guest in the Under the Scales Season 2 opener. Jason is a former Phish employee, music fan, food fan and cannabis connoisseur.

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    035:Andy Gadiel

    For our Season-ending episode I am joined by the founder of Jambase.com -- Andy Gadiel ushered Phish and fans into the internet age with one of the very first band websites on the World Wide Web.

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    034:Andy Bernstein

    Andy Bernstein, founder of HeadCount, talks to Tom about multiple Phish-related projects.

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    033:Scott Herman

    Scott Herman and Tebo inflict severe Q&A upon Tom. Scott, for those unaware, has 18 or more Phish songwriting credits to his name. Also: the REAL *Helping Friendly Book* is revealed.

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    032:Phil and Friends Q&A

    Big Phil and Medium Phil, both longtime Phish friends and fans, stop by to ask Tom questions...only, they forgot the questions.

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    031:Live Stream

    Eli Tishberg tells us about directing the video feed that allows us to see Phish live in our living rooms in unparalleled quality.

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    030:Jazz is Phish

    Jazz Is Phish drummer Adam Chase illuminates the intricate workings of one of the most creative Phish cover bands.

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    in the studio with Jim Pollock and David Welker, the two cornerstones of the Phish poster phenomenon.

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    028:Petrea Kelly Q+A

    Petrea Davis and Kelly Baines swim Under the Scales to inflict another Q&A upon Tom.

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    027:Tale of Two Songs

    Tom puts the songwriting and recording process under the microscope with two co-writers and two new songs.

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    Kelly Morris, creator of the captivating video accompaniment to the Phish song 'More', tells us what MORE she has in store!

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    Yossarian Kelly, early friend of the Dead, early phan, early bird when it comes to growing cannabis legally, calls UTS from Washington to check in.

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    Garrett Phillips -- also known as PlusSizeModel on PhantasyTour -- describes, among other things, how to pack for a 35 month prison vacation.

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    023:Steve Martocci

    GroupMe founder and Phish super-fan Steve Martocci talks about collaboration and inspiration on a beautiful day in New York City.

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    022:Andrea Nusinov

    Andrea is an amazing Phish photographer who shares secrets on how her hobby took off! She also captures moments and the feeling we forgot.

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    021:Questions Answers 1

    A new type of episode, in which Tom answers your questions, or at least makes an attempt...

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    020:Holly Bowling 2

    Holly Bowling continues entrancing us with her musical powers...and disassembles my piano!

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    019:Holly Bowling 1

    Holly Bowling stops by the studio to educate us musically -- my piano has never sounded better!

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    018:Benjy Eisen 2

    The second half of the Benjy Eisen interview in which we cover Phish and Reed Mathis...oh, and life and lyrics.

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    017:Benjy Eisen Part 1

    Benjy Eisen talks about the wonderful book, Deal, he co-wrote with Bill Kreutzmann of the Grateful Dead

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    Phan Art Pete (Mason) created a vibrant art enterprise which has grown beyond the Phish community where it started. And that's just ONE thing he's doing...

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    015:Phish Companion

    I speak with Phillip Zerbo, co-editor for the incredible Phish Companion Volume 3. Can 30 years fit into 900 pages?

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    Mike Greenhaus gives us an amazing perspective on how Relix magazine has been involved in and crucial to the jam scene since its inception.

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    013:Runaway Gin

    RJ and I talk to Andy Greenberg, guitarist for Phish cover-band Runaway Gin.

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    Trey Anastasio explains the magic of Paul Languedoc's guitars to me and Dan Kanter.

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    Trey Anastasio shares years of guitar insights with me and Dan Kanter.

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    Jake Huffman catches me up on the McLovins. Remember the YEM video from 2008 when they were 14 years old??

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    009:Higher Thymes

    Jen Bernstein stops by to educate me about WEED. Yes, she does.

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    Tom Bazis is my guide into the infinite...his business is flotation and sensory deprivation and pure relaxation.

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    007:Dude of Life

    Steve Pollak, also known as THE DUDE OF LIFE, talks to me about the early days with Trey in Taft and brings us up to the present musically.

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    006:Setlist Tees

    Ryan Stanley joins me in the studio to discuss his T-shirt business, Amfibian, a movie and other stuff.

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    Paul Glace, founder of PhantasyTour.com, is featured. We discuss the site's origins and how it grew to the incredible Phish fan destination it is today.

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    I interview David Steinberg, long-time Phish fan and the band's unofficial statistician. He's an author and extreme long-distance touring expert. He also times shows...and has the scars to prove it.

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    Co-hosts RJ and Jonathan and I take a DEEP DIVE into Tapers. Tapers are a huge part of Phish's history...but what are they? Who are they? Let's find out. Take a deep breath and jump in with us.

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    002:Riding the Rail

    Derek Gregory joins me in the studio to discuss his extensive experience with Phish...he likes it up close to the band. Real close. I try to figure out the hows and whys of "riding the rail" as it's called.

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    001:The Songwriting Weekend

    In 1997, Trey and I escaped for long weekends to write a lot of songs which eventually appeared on Phish albums and became part of Phish's live repertoire. This is the story of one of those weekends, and how it got off to a *horrifying* start. Trey listened to this and said "it's like the secret backstory for the song Twist" -- and it really is.

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    000:Let's Take a Ride

    My producer, Mark Dowd, and I take a ride through Trey's and my old grade-school, and discuss some history and motivation behind the Under the Scales podcast.

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